Thank you for that, i did wonder about shoots coming up in the lawn i might give that a mis and grow BEANS instead, iv still got that other area to sort out and its all starting to grow

But had a re think of another area in garden that is sort of laid to lawn and wouldn't take much to rotavate & add manure in front of the back of our garage, if that makes sence, my plan was to grow blackberries up the back of garage as there is trellis already there, Rassberries in front of them and 2 blackcurrent bushes in front of them, then some how net well, as my black birds eat everything even my toms last year outside and inside the greenhouse, i managed to eat 2 strawberrys.
Would this plan work
Regards
Chilli p